i read a lot of monero here atm, here's my little story: sold 10 btc two days ago, had to go through a kyc hell (as the non-kyc market is dead/never worked for bigger amounts) ... bitcoin has become part of the surveillance state, sad but true


This 👇

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nostr:npub18dlusgmprudw46nracaldxe9hz4pdmrws8g6lsusy6qglcv5x48s0lh8x3 and I were just talking about this yesterday. Thank you for sharing your story.


Oh man, you dumped bitcoin and bought shitcoin ? 🙉


:RedHeart:


Wouldn’t selling that much Monero ona centralized exchange also result in KYC hell? Sounds like the problem is with the P2P exchanges lacking liquidity.


i need it for holidays and renewing things at the house 🤙


Yes, it seams every btc on/off ramp is getting owned by govs. I feel that freedom money is no more. Monero looking sexier by the day...


Makes sense. Just don’t dump it for the crap shitcoin that some clowns trying to shill on here!


I'd give up my left nut for one...

Tf you mean 10btc?

I don't have 10 nuts to give up!


Liquidity issue. Has nothing to do with the fundamentals of either network or asset. 10 BTC is more than most houses, and it would take you 6% plus 90 days minimum to move a house. And you’re definitely not getting 600k cash for monero within a day, if ever.

You could’ve done it non-KYC if you had more time or found some big OTC plays (likely outside of US jurisdiction), but the issue of moving that amount of money outside of traditional regulations would not be improved by monero.


TEN 😯😯


10 coin flex. Hope you have some left 😬


Wait is this a joke. I don't know anymore lol


I confirm this.


i don't like to put a number out there, but i felt it makes more sense like this


No no, you are valid lolol🫂. I just can't imagine lol. 😎


Do you have e an opinion on monero? I actually don't. Don't know enough to have an opinion tbh.


Offloading monero or any other shitcoin is many times more difficult than Bitcoin.
I’ve heard it’s better to go otc for 10 btc


Fair point.


I honestly had no idea ralf was ballin' like this.  dude was like "I needed some money for the holidays so I just cashed out like $640,000 worth of corn, nbd"


He seems like a lovely dude, I hope he has 100 more lol


Lamentablemente si


Was it because you tried to sell non-kyc btc on a kyc exchange? Would it have been easier if it were kyc btc in the first place? 🤔


no, i just know that darkweb likes it more than btc ... which in a way says a lot about the privacy aspect


Or even better yet, find someone who accepts BTC as payment. Assuming you are buying something that is like $100k+, which I assume is what you’re doing if you need to sell 10 BTC quickly, it might be less headache to find an acceptor of BTC.


It’s more than fair. I can’t believe the amount of people who think exiting the centralized surveillance dollar economy into Bitcoin, and then going back to re-enter it would magically make it any different.

And no, monero doesn’t fix that 🤦♂


no, i sent them (i had to sent them) docs from 2016 showing that i was buying them, that the coins were legal ... like i said: it was kyc hell


A) you had 10 mf bitcoins???
B) you sold them????? 😭😭😭


let me guess

coinbase.com

right?


I'm also mostly just curious who may turn up to nostr and build on nostr now there's this monero Amethyst fork ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ could be interesting. We shall see:)


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nvm


Never in my life. The most I did there was there earn program to "learn about shitcoins" then convert it all to bitcoin. 🤣


Yep, using monero isnt going to do shit for you if you need to provide proof of funds, e.g. in UK if buying a house.


Garnet? It locks your balance for like an hour after every zap atm though.


smells like bovine feces


Yup.

Decentralized exchange like Haveno is the super private way. It's better than Bisq. Not sure how quickly you needed to sell though.

https://haveno.exchange/faq/#how-can-i-exchange-monero-for-fiat-without-involving-banks

https://haveno-reto.com/


don't trust men which are bold in the front, but have a ponytail to compensate it ... they lost it somewhere in their 20s


Shitcoin?
Come on .. How to get BTC privacy? Impossible without Samourai!
So use BTC for cold storage and Monero for payments, whats ur problem with privacy?

#freeSamourai


We’ve seen how much you’ve zapped…

(Starts growing ponytail).


Crazy … i would assume if they can track that the coins originally came from an exchange or even from their own adresses, there would not much proof be needed


i read a lot of monero here atm, here's my little story: sold 10 btc two days ago, had to go through a kyc hell (as the non-kyc market is dead/never worked for bigger amounts) ... bitcoin has become part of the surveillance state, sad but true


Every tool has it's function. Limiting the tool set will only diminish the possible outcomes.


Yeah, I dont know. I'll probably never even use it. Just interested in how nostr grows, or could potentially grow from things like this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I'd assume that is not the final form of their app tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


You can have privacy on bitcoin if you know the proper tools and how to use them.


I’m not limiting the toolset, feel free to use monero. I’m just explaining why advocating for it under the given circumstances is a silly misunderstanding of the fundamental issue.


we'll see how you think in another 20 years whippersnapper


You mean the guys who doxxed everyone's txns?


where did U sell?


than i'm dead, i guess ... not living the most healthy life and at 47 you need to be realistic when it comes to your future ... anyway, i know you know it, you are bold with a ponytail, life is suffering one way or the other


t-y ava


Because converting monereo into hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank would be easier... 🙄 stfu

Why do shitcoin pumpers always resort to such obvious BS?

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:whatthefuck:


i suspect schizophrenia, not narcissistic personality disorder, just been watching this


Where you can exchange 10 BTC worth of Monero to fiat without KYC as fast? 😳


it's not about monero, it is about my experience with selling btc


Then why do you mention Monero?


Sure, understood. Thank you for the clarification.


Crap shitcoin that clowns trying to shill here....

Bitcoin?


Then how's monero related?


:monero:


We are all ears, tell us how to do privacy on Bitcoin better than Monero


then try it yourself


Buy P2P, joinmarket, swaps into liquid and then into lightning and then out of lightning


More complex, multi-step with points of failure where privacy could be compromised. Monero is stronger and easier.


Ok, ok shitcoiner
Go sell your crap to someone else


Oh yes the classic refutal.


dude


i read a lot of monero here atm, here's my little story: sold 10 btc two days ago, had to go through a kyc hell (as the non-kyc market is dead/never worked for bigger amounts) ... bitcoin has become part of the surveillance state, sad but true


BTC is "CBDC 2.0". Transparent blockchain, absolute zero privacy


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So you’re saying there are more and/or better no KYC shitcoin to dollar on-ramps?
I think you guys are all blowing hot air. The on-ramp issue has always been legal restrictions. Monero doesn’t solve this. Quit being trolls.


what about moving in to Japan to launch anti-surveillance haven tho? Japan is literally a slave of America though Bitcoin is not yet defined as a commodity in Japan and seemingly alomost nobody would like to. I believe this is the key :-)


I think you missed the point of the conversation.

Bitcoin is the absolute best way to truly own property and protect against the devaluation of currencies.

But the cypherpunk dream of private money is gone. There are no more and will never be more Silk Roads. Bitcoin has no privacy on the base chain, the opposite in fact, it’s a public ledger.

Now that bitcoin is no longer in its infancy governments and agencies track every wallet and transaction and control the on and off ramps.

If you own bitcoin and believe that it will continue to grow in value then you better be prepared for that future. Keep every record and receipt because they will come for you eventually and they will get their cut so be ready.

A non KYC stash will be radioactive. You might be ok with a small amount but a lot and you might as well be a drug cartel stuck with millions that you have to do something with.

Avoid that. Keep records. Pay your taxes. If you want privacy then use something that is private like monero.


This isn't because Bitcoin is captured, it's because the economy is captured. You only need fiat because the economy is being gated by fiat.


I thought figuring out how to spend btc without KYC hell is most peoples step 2 in their learning process?


Okay, but if you’re using Monero, you’re still either using fiat on-ramps (just like Bitcoin) or you’re doing P2P. If you keep your Monero or Bitcoin segregated P2P, it’s essentially the same. Big brother is still tracking almost all you do, where you go etc. unless you are *highly* sophisticated. If you’re that sophisticated, you can learn to Coinjoin, use lighting etc. Average people don’t sleep good at night being criminals no matter what coin they’re using.

Monero is a false sense of security. They’ll come for the Monero people too and catch most of them.

Our best bet is to hold something that can keep us out of the poorhouse while the dollar denominated fiat ship goes down. If it gets bad, who cares if crap is KYC’d? Or maybe governments adopt the best money out there and we immigrate to places that value our economic value and allow us some freedoms.

We can dream of the perfectly sound lightsaber currency but that doesn’t exist. I’m just tired of this shilling of an inferior technology, confusing new people and scaring them away from Bitcoin because it’s not perfect.


Imagine going on a 10btc holiday. Fucking baller. 🥵


Selling 10 bitcoin is super easy, maybe you are confused: you encountered the hell of buying 10-bitcoin-amount of fiat credit/assets.


You mean joinmarket with fcking high maker fees? Good joke


Why BTC maxis are so stupid?
"Shitcoiner"
Its only a way to protect ur privacy! Its not "holding monero to the moon", its btc for store of value and payments with monero, so whats the real problem?

I dont like the new btc maxis with " plssss etfs buy more! Plsss trump chill btc everywhere! Pls let me be rich"
Thats realy stupid and the perfect transformation from a btc maxi to a new world fiat maxi
Gratulation


privacy > be rich
few understand this


symbolic 8 sats for you, a lucky number!


cope. i don’t like monero either, but you’re retarded if you think you can move 10 BTC around like this.


Why tf would you sell 10 Bitcoin? Damn


You did the meme

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Surveillance has got nothing to do with Bitcoin. It's everything outside the Bitcoin network that can take part in this.


Why we need a circular economy: the note.


I am not scaring anyone away from bitcoin. I am a laser eyed maxi. But Bitcoin is not private, that is a factual statement.


That’s you retarded ! In Ukraine you can trade P2P even much more hire amounts! You request that $ and within a few days deal is done ! It’s just here in the U.S. or in some parts of Europe P2P isn’t common


Sure, a fully transparent ledger with no privacy has nothing to do with surveillance.


Tell us how to sell 700k worth of BTC without Kyc?


It is because BTC is transparent and not fungible.


Ghost. Look at the comments that I commented under.


Sure, but selling anything for fiat is going to be a dice roll into the apparatus of the surveillance state.

That’s just reality.


Transparency is critical to the adoption of Bitcoin.


Using Bisq?


Cash is zero surveillance, zero KYC.


I would imagine you have to sell BTC off in smaller chunks if you want non-KYC.


i read a lot of monero here atm, here's my little story: sold 10 btc two days ago, had to go through a kyc hell (as the non-kyc market is dead/never worked for bigger amounts) ... bitcoin has become part of the surveillance state, sad but true


Sounds like a solid advice, nostr:nprofile1qqsym07t03wahqjfl8r7hrppuqvlpralklk9mm25pzmpgkgtawx3d9gppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qguwaehxw309ahx7um5wgkhqatz9eek2mtfwdhkctnyv4mz7eq5pfr. PV 🫂

Can someone posting from a device also running nostr:nprofile1qqsxll5nhdedftrc3lvtutdd7ka55tc55vcd2v9su69awv7fw3xxvxgpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7a4wfd6 please provide some quick orderbook screenshots for usd/btc, eur/btc and gbp/btc pairs on nostr:nprofile1qqsxll5nhdedftrc3lvtutdd7ka55tc55vcd2v9su69awv7fw3xxvxgpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7a4wfd6? This would provide some meaningful context to this topic.

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Might be the perfect one to reply to you, nostr:nprofile1qqs0ljj5upu0mxyy5azawr4szkwqhz5705ur5jgx5ayyhqlt7cgpm4gprdmhxue69uhkx6rjd9ehgurfd3kzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6qgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqguwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skchpjvxc 🫂


Good idea and thank you for staying in the loop nostr:nprofile1qqsv388ndhh29pk6jyk5z30hzsx8xj2awl3vlm0mv5s43k48cacl97qprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehw6r9wfjjucm0d5q32amnwvaz7tmgd9ehgtnwdaehgu3wd3skueqd48yrc, no matter of the heated topic you raised. PV 🫂


Haha. Good one. Right. However this meme (as well as our beloved bitcoin memes) do leave the tradeoffs of decisions done as meme suggests aside. 🤝 h/t nostr:nprofile1qqsp2alytxwazryxxjv0u0pqhkp247hc9xjetn5rch8c4s6xx5cmpxcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg5waen5te0d3hkxctvdphhxap6xsurvwf0ud73dg


Interesting discussions are going on in this note, worth giving it a glimpse at least (NOT ironic/sarcastic):

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Transparency is stupid when you can have anonymity.


It should never be about scaring people away. This isn"'t a cult, it is a piece of software.


Now try selling 10btc worth of monero


that volume is unrealistic imo if you wanna sell it for fiat


That's a 12 year old child's level of analysis.


I agree with you, but reliable transactional privacy is critical to not enslaving ourselves.


That amount is a rich man's game for sure.


Preventing governments from corruption is also critical.

This is why bitcoin has a anonymity set delta that favours the bottom of the pyramid.


Please, explain


you literally just said that using a coinjoin service that's been unwound (JM is NOT a zerolink implementation) and swapping between THREE different networks

is a viable solution to privacy.
get a grip.


You dumb!


I'm dumb?
For not jumping between three different networks and using a broken CJ implementation?

And instead I just use p2p cash that just works?

So whats the smart move?


I like those short replies that tell us much more about you than they tell us about the tools we are talking about. The inner bargaining already started.

You are okay the way you are. You are okay even if you change your mind.

You but really all Bitcoiners are okay if they loosen their stance on maximalism in the name of freedom and privacy.

I give you two months until you will change your stance on Monero.

Have seen it before. You are unique. But you are not special.


Especially when it depends on industrial mining whose incentives align perfectly with banker's capitalism.


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This is just wrong. Join market can be demixed, so can wasabi and lightning's privacy is a joke


i read a lot of fiat here atm, here's my little story: sold 10 fiat dollars two days ago, had to go through a kyc hell (as the non-kyc market is dead/never worked for bigger amounts) ... in the end i had to exchange the fiat for some ice coolers filled with kidneys, and then take that to sell to a dealer who could get me the cash in a duffel bag. Fiat has become part of the barter state, sad but true

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It's these kinds of idiotic responses they continually try to convince people with that let's me know Bitcoin has failed. If they are unwilling to admit the complete lack of privacy enables surveillance then it can't succeed. If they can't admit Bitcoin 6 months ago with Samourai is very different than our present situation of completely cucked Bitcoin with no functioning privacy solution, and the laughable band-aid of stealth payments, then they have already lost.