Maybe engagement should be measured by how much the OP engages with the replies 🤔


Now that would be an interesting metric.
Though OP shouldn’t feel like they are obligated to engage if their replies are off the deep end.


I am sure initial replies could be weighted more heavily but how much the OP replies back would signal true engagement


I think engagement should be measured by if the ring she buys me is half her salary. j/k! 😜


Your wife disagrees 😂


I don't know... I mean, maybe to some degree it could work but it could also lead to some twisted incentives & strange stuff trending when attention seekers start stirring controversy intentionally for the sake of trending... or when someone decides to battle trolls. 😂


Or they could create stooge bots to reply to.


Yeah, that too.


Doeant IG have all this figured out? Cant we just send in an undercover from nostr 👀😂


There must be an opensats budget for this


😂 I have no idea... I deleted that one many moons ago but from what I see & hear, unlikely.


I nominate you 😂🤣


I would totally love to do that omg 🤣


Whoa! We found a divergence because I would hate that! 😂 Be sure to report this to nostr:npub1a6k75m9m2qv2ry8sz9u90hj38np8r5jvj374dnvzc49xke9wg7jqhnmu4x


Or it is a planned divergence for appearances 🧐 mwahahaha


Well this was my one idea. Beyond this, I will never speak of it again lmao. Back to regularly scheduled here is my simple, happy life posts 🫡😂


Or maybe we shouldn't care about engagement?


No! I mean... those too... but ideas need to be explored! It's just what came to my mind & my opinion/insight is just one of many around here


I personally dont beyond how I show up...I want to develop frens here and promote community on nostr. Life is better this way. But after all the notes today, I had a thought so I posted it.


Oh, I didnt take your commemt any negative way. I truly just dont personally care about all the metrics...they dont affect my day to day life. But I thought Laeserin had a point about how they affect incoming npubs. So I had a thought and posted it, but I prefer to keep my attention elsewhere. I will def post if I have another thought on the matter but I prob wont 😂


I mostly agree with nostr:npub1jmy8weweqzckna0amz7pn0uhhkxx693l7st23829ewmu43yvjsesfp6xcq but the engagement/ trend thing does affect newcomers so for that reason I care


Yeah I've never felt like you're into that. I personally really detest engagement posts. It's probably because they trigger me into engaging with them. 😆

I know there'll be clients that employ these types of feeds, but I really dislike the incentives that they create.


This note is more trending 😆


I’m not sure if you’d consider them engagement posts, but I really enjoy notes that spark a wave of discussion. No zaps and a few likes but people were posting really interesting replies to this one recently:

nostr:note1dz8p6tr3uwsefpe43phpavdj9jqkm050z4up6nd728zv3desgqnqlpk6mj


Yeah discussion is different. Exchanging ideas & opinions can be both enjoyable & valuable.

Some posts that get a lot of engagement were just contraversial but authentic takes/questions.

You can never truly know the intent behind a post.

Some posters just feel like they're desperate for attention & I'm not here to make people feel popular.


*phew* 🫂 😂


It's tricky. The chances of someone with a larger presence responding to or liking a reply is already exponentially higher than any other social & likely temporary. Helping new, active users (as in noters, not lurkers) to understand that community building means participation is the real hurdle, or at least that's how I see it.


Quantum even.


Makes sense 🫂💜 maybe there should be a community builder list for npubs who we know will interact w and help newcomers


I am so unlikely to be offended so do not worry 😂🫂


I, too,  am unoffendable... that totally undoes yesterday's undoing 😂🤙


Something like that would be cool. I think nostr:npub1manlnflyzyjhgh970t8mmngrdytcp3jrmaa66u846ggg7t20cgqqvyn9tn 's project will be offering something similar. Trending, highlights, etc definitely have their place as far as joining & retention go. Prepopulated follow lists might not be the best longterm idea but it fixed the empty feed issue for the time, so maybe that will graduate into a suggestion list eventually. Idk... my ability to comprehend far outstrips my ability to do so I'm basically useless 😂


You and me both😂 But we can cheer them on and say what they are working on is so cool!


#goteam 🎉😂


nostr:npub1a6k75m9m2qv2ry8sz9u90hj38np8r5jvj374dnvzc49xke9wg7jqhnmu4x gonna be not at all surprised 😂


You both, and me too 😂🤛


Yes! I dont even need an opensats budget for this, will cheerlead fo' free!😂


Hells yeah🤜 We are now known as The Unoffendables and unite our powers! Lol


🤣 *golf clap*


There are no lines we can’t cross!


It's not that I'm edgy, I'm just terrible at understanding boundaries 😂🤣


😂🤣😂 what is a boundary? 🫨


I’m never bothered, so I just think everyone else shouldn’t be either 🤷♂


You're so coool 😂🫂


Wife disagrees. She says I’m just oblivious.


Same thing


😂 I’ll tell her


Your wife is the coolest 😎😇


She is…..one day she’ll wake up 😜


Just keep having adorable babies and dancing with them to sweet songs while you look at her


You remembered the secret sauce!


I have this sometimes obnoxious file storage system in my brain. But it alao remembers happy things like this 😁


You may think your thoughts you thunk. Vetting them in "public" is brave and generally a good thing.

I like your regular notes, but, I also like out of the ordinary things that real people care to show with others. So, don't hold back, if you don't want to.


That's something I think that has been done poorly and incentivises pretty shady BS (like what primal does with the default file list, IMO).


Feature


Maybe engagement should be measured by how much the OP engages with the replies 🤔


That has downsides and may incentivize spam.


Yeesss


It may work even for influencers to reach more sane signal than just faking it a true pow on social skills


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


It’s a work in progress. 💜
nostrmeet.me


I was engaged once. 🤷🏼♂


A bold move!


We already have that. 😂

The only difference would be that they would have to reply to the bots to maximize their metric, rather than ignoring them.


We already count replies.


This would add counting replies to replies.


Are we going to pretend like a bit of controversy isn't fun? 😂

The Internet actually has too little controversy and too many personal attacks, in my opinion, so everyone watches morbid news videos and hardcore porn, to get their hindbrain excitement fix, instead of watching a debate on the ethics of aloof elitism or the pros and cons of various hard currencies.

Most new human knowledge is gained to win the upper hand in a debate or solve some problem people told you couldn't be solved. Lack of controversy causes our brains to atrophy and stymies innovation.

I'm here for the intellectual flight club that is going to delay the onset of dementia.


Another positive is that controversy is taxing and therefore tiring. After I have a good, hard debate, I'm literally wiped out and I'm like,

Okay, that was enough Internet for today. Sheesh. Let me go cook dinner and go for a walk.


Not joking about dementia. I'm in that age where the people who are intellectually lazy have brains that slowly begin to rot, if they don't use them hard enough.

I can literally see it happening, on their faces, as they lose expressive mimic. *shudder*


"so everyone watches morbid news videos and hardcore porn"

Speak for yourself!


I’m not sure how without iron
😙


Not at all. There's a big difference between organic debate & manufactured controversy. The latter serves no purpose in furthering consciousness & connection.


I think we were referring to how those numbers are weighed in trending feeds. Maybe I was mistaken.


Yeah, they include the count of the replies in the feed algos.


*phew* thought maybe I was wandering off into the weeds there for a minute 😂


I can pretend to be for peace reasons


Yes, exactly. Replies to replies signals true engagement. A back and forth.