Still blows my mind that Signal has an integrated shitcoin.


Imagine if they had zaps. 🤯


Isn't that Telegram? They're even putting out their own PWA marketplace to circumvent Apple's and Google's monopoly.


Moxie blocked me 3 years ago for saying he should just use Bitcoin/lightning instead of a shitcoin.


Onward 🫡


I would rather use SimpleX. Way more private.


:whatthefuck:


How are we on Private Chat apps replacements on nostr? Are there some good ones implementing the double ratchet thing?


In 2019 I got air dropped a shitcoin through Keebase and it started my current journey into Bitcoin. Even though I had a Bitcoin address on there since 2017 and never pursued it beyond that. 2012 I ran Bitcoin core and was disappointed that after I synced the chain that I had no idea how to actually do anything...

Signal, Telegram and more using a payment technology but won't touch Bitcoin because they can't dominate, control and seek rent. Still, as I threw away my Coinmine box of 2020 and repurposed the computer in 2022 I'm reminded that in the Bitcoin / shitcoin there are plenty of us wanted Fiat for one reason or another because we have to use the mark of the beast to buy and sell things.

It makes sense, all of it.

You own Bitcoin because you don't want money and then you need liquidity anyway.

The most important words are from 2500 years ago:

Here is the formula of Because of this, there is that....

Paticcasamuppada

Paticcasamuppada

    The Twelve Parts

            The Paticcasamuppada, or the Cycle of Dependent Origination, summarizes the Buddha’s teaching on the conditionality of all physical and mental phenomena of living beings.

            The cycle has 12 parts, which are:

            1. Avijja – ignorance or delusion

            2. Sankhara – kamma-formations

            3. Vinnana – consciousness

            4. Nama-rupa – mind and matter

            5. Salayatana – six sense bases

            6. Phassa – contact or impression

            7. Vedana – Feeling

            8. Tanha – craving

            9. Upadana – clinging

            10. Bhava – becoming

            11. Jati – rebirth

            12. Jara-marana – old age and death

            The 12 parts form a cycle, in which each part is conditioned by the preceding part, and in turn, conditions the part that follows.

            The formula of Paticcasamuppada is as follows:

            1. Avijja paccaya Sankhara: through Ignorance are conditioned the Sankharas, that is, the rebirth producing kamma-formations.

            2. Sankhara paccaya vinnana: through the kamma formations is conditioned Consciousness.

            3. Vinnana paccaya nama-rupam: through Consciousness are conditioned Mind and Matter.

            4. Nama-rupa paccaya salayatana: through the physical and mental phenomena are conditioned the 6 Bases.

            5. Salayatana paccaya phasso: through the 6 Bases is conditioned (sensorial) Impression.

            6. Phassa paccaya vedana: through Impression is conditioned feeling.

            7. Vedana paccaya tanha: through Feeling is conditioned Craving.

            8. Tanha paccaya upadana: through Craving is conditioned Clinging.

            9. Upadana paccaya bhavo: through Clinging is conditioned the process of kamma-formations and becoming (kammabhava and Upapattibhava).

            10. Bhava paccaya jati: through the process of kamma formation (kammabhava) is conditioned Rebirth.

            11. Jati paccaya jara-maranam-soka-parideva dukkha-domanassa-upayasa sambhavanti: through Rebirth are conditioned Old Age, Death, Sorrow, Lamentation, Suffering, Grief and Despair.

    Evametassa kevalassa dukkhakhandhassa sumudayo hoti: thus arises this whole mass of suffering.

https://www.buddhivihara.org/paticcasamuppada/


Well that took a strange turn..


Where is the PWA marketplace?


nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc is currently writing a NIP with MLS, which is kind of a upgraded double ratchet that can be used with larger groups. No clients have it yet AFAIK.


:tiredwojak:


I don't really know, I don't use Telegram. I read it in an article a couple of days ago. They have a "crypto" token and seem to be building the type of "all-app" that Elon wanted to turn Twitter into.


And central msg server the app users cannot change from.


It does? Never knew..I knew sessions has oxen token but not signal. That's so weird because its like a fork from WhatsApp.


Yup. it's going to be a bit longer, no one has implemented anything double ratchet yet. But hopefully we'll move to MLS as the standard.


mls is a superset of double ratchet and we need both 1:1 and 1:many


Ewww


Signal allways was a shitcoin!


er, dm and group chat


Concerning


#nostr forever!


One man’s national currency is another’s integrated 💩 coin.


Use molly if on grapheme OS


This was a huge disappointment at the time and in my mind called into question the technical judgement used in the rest of the product. Seems like nothing has come of it and tbh I had forgotten all about it.


Best wishes


We need zaps with signal


what is molly?


💯
They should have developed a payment solution based on sats (ecash + LN)...

But they went to the more lucrative way of shitcoining...

Such a pity, indeed.
🫂


Mobilecoin, 😂


:whatthefuck:


Signal moving onto Bitcoin would probably 100x their payments usage overnight.


My guess is they dont want to handle any lightning infrastructure.

In this case they can just use Ecash, so once that is around for long enough & confidence increases I can see the move happening.


Gd


Same for Paypal


If nostr only had forward secrecy


Its an open source hardened fork of signal without the shenanigans

https://molly.im/


Awesome, thanks!


Signal is a nonprofit organization, and one can donate to Signal in various currencies including bitcoin. But they don't accept their own coin. 🙂


Shame on us that we are not able to provide good solution

https://community.signalusers.org/t/bitcoin-as-a-native-payment-in-signal/48757


Signal might be a honeypot.
Moxie Marlinspike initially developed Textsecure + Redphone for encrypted SMS + phone calls. These were widely used during the arab revolutions in spring 2011, especially in Egypt. Moxie sold to Twitter, became their employee and the services were shut down when people relied most on them. (In 2010 Moxie was detained by feds when entering US from abroad).
Moxie actively undermined development of federation on the server side, insisted in making Signal a centralized service. Long time Google Play Services were necessary with the reasoning of less battery consumption ;-)
To many red flags for me, but DYOR.

PS: You might also take a closer look at Meredith Whittaker

PPS: Similar holds for Proton Mail which was never invented at Cern.


Blows my mind people still using that shit


Still blows my mind that Signal has an integrated shitcoin.


I'm just here to learn 🍿 good thread


Yeah wtf happened w that. What an odd maneuver


Stop using Signal…it’s a honeypot


Dump signal… are there bitcoin only encrypted messengers?


Onward 🫡


why this "if"? i'm not using grapheneOS yet, but still use molly


Moxie's way to make a quick buck.


⚡ LIVE FREE ⚡


still blows my mind BTC has no onchain privacy and some people think we will gain freedom from the state this way...


Sweet. Signal to the moon?


What do you use?


Privacy-wise, bitcoin is a shitcoin too


what rubs me the wrong way is they still ask for donations too. they sold out and pretend they didnt.