make Peter Todd wrong again nostr:note19pq0h98xldvgw8cx98es8w87v6605nsxkp4p3axunuj0k2km6fls7tcw9f


Ironically can see this only on Damus & lol relays.
Probably my fault for not reading from more relays/using a client that supports gossip 😅
nostr:nevent1qqsgll3yaq3n64vsxsjh289ywnppm782j7lxes9nu4tdcwvpe9p0gpspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzpq35r7yzkm4te5460u00jz4djcw0qa90zku7739qn7wj4ralhe4zqvzqqqqqqypmhzje


Tail emissions practically enforce that since Open Time Stamps.


If nostr gets sufficiently large, centralized relays will collapse anyway and force clients to implement the gossip model

He'll be wrong in the long run 🫡


There will always be hierarchies and inequalities... meanwhile in Nostr they are not imposed


nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m I don’t think it’s about nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 doing it.
It’s about all of us understanding that we need to step up and handle our information.


Now that's what I call motivation!


🤣😂 working on it… lol


with love from noogle.lol


Peter is optimistic:
https://x.com/peterktodd/status/1729554230715752535


Bullish on plebs antifragility 🐸🫂🦤


Honest question: what’s the incentive to run a relay? I understand that it is not the same as bitcoin, where you run a node due to privacy and source of truth, or miner for financial returns. There is also no need for each relay to have all the information exactly as other relays. But the distribution of relays is somewhat important to resist the censorship in the future, thus incentives for more users to run relays is important.


So you don't have to depend on someone else to serve your notes


tribalism


Nostr has no economic spam countering mechanism on the protocol level (the protocol is inherently free, like SMTP) which means it's up to relays to fight spam and that's an inevitable centralizing force.
Fortunately the protocol could yet be overhauled to fix this using something like HTTP 402 (i.e. make everything paid).
Till then the network is zombie walking towards an inevitable censorship reality once it's big enough and spam is burdensome enough.


By “notes” you mean any content you are interested in? As in any content produced by myself or others that I am interested in I would persist in my relay and make it available to other relays.


I am using word content because I am thinking around social media use case, I know nostr protocol will most likely be used beyond this use case.


Is there like a tutorial on this app? I’m new…


There are a few tutorials but I'm not sure which are up-to-date

https://nostr.how/en/what-is-nostr maybe?


They were never your notes if they were on anothers relay. 🤔


What about making clients solve a small but significant PoW before they can post to a relay


Thanks!


He's already wrong.

Gossip is a huge improvement though.


make Peter Todd wrong again nostr:note19pq0h98xldvgw8cx98es8w87v6605nsxkp4p3axunuj0k2km6fls7tcw9f


My understanding is if you were to run your own relay all your notes and the notes of other npubs you follow (and probably other criteria you specify) would get pulled and/or pushed into your relay for you and others to use.  I would want to set up a cluster of relays among family and friends to know for sure I can communicate with those people at a minimum.   One thing I haven’t researched or read is if the nostr protocol has a way of knowing if you’ve ever missed any notes/data.


Thanks. This is my understanding too.

Not sure gow relays sync the data. There must be some mechanism to make a light lookup if your rely is up to date against the other one based on specified rules.


Lol every page load is like a cache miss haha, nothing scales without cache layers


Peter Todd's right. Nostr has become more centralized and isn't as censorship-resistant as people claim. The neglect of the relay network is part of it, with most relay operators dropping off. A few remain, but it’s barely holding on. This was kind of clear from the start—Nostr is just a subset of HTTP, so anything Nostr can do, HTTP can too, and actually more with storage and real-time capabilities. How decentralized either is depends on how they’re used. Nostr's centralization, like HTTP's, was always possible, and the article’s author had a big hand in that. Still useful, just not as advertised.