Fuck ppl who want to talk about ppl.

Discuss ideas.


Even if the person was super awful?


What's the point?


There's no quicker way to lose respect imho


Hey everybody, NVK is being a dick to me right now


Because I'm sad. I guess there is no point that someone was super awful to me for five days
 You are right. I will never see her again.


F people who tell everyone else what they must do.
(Millennials)


Ideas like Mcafee with Pomp on a boat?


Millennials started it but it’s the new gen that’s carrying the torch


Small minds talk about people


Onward 🫡


Eh.

Discussion about people behind the ideas is also exceedingly important.

Marx was a horrible racist, husband, and father.

Fuocoult was a blatant pedophile.

And etc.

Yes, ideas are extremely important, but... Where they come from, who develops them, are also crucial to knowing a fuller context of what those ideas are and how they are meant to effect the world.


Agreed. It’s all a waste of time.


Absolutely.


damn straight.  it’s like this world is run by children… oh wait


Flip the script on them and say something like, "It sounds like you've explained what you  don't like about them, now tell me something you admire about them or like about them."

I am a fan of trying to help them change the way they view others. That said, if they prove to me they can't start looking for and finding the goodness in others, I'm wishing them well and moving on.


FUCK IDEAS THAT COME FROM PPL - ONLY DISCUSS THE ONES THAT COME FROM…. SHIT I NEED TO REBOOT :)


Yes!


If  people talk shit about someone not in the room. Just assume they do the same about you when not around.


Ad hominem is not a principle to be upheld. It is a sham on our cognitive abilities. The fuller context, what the ideas are, and how they are meant to affect the world has nothing to do with the people who say them. It has to do with our efforts to study these ideas.


Swear I said this shit today.
I’m just so sick of seeing the same shit faces too. Trump, Harris, all of it. It’s a shitshow they just don’t stop cramming down your throat


Lowest form of discourse.


I will disagree with you. I don't think it is an ad hominem "attack" to point out the egregious failings of the darlings of the current crop of pseudo-intellectuals who are the main force behind everything that we are struggling against now.

Good ideas tend to come from good people. Bad ideas tend to come from bad people.


🤔 not sure if we’re talking about people here or an idea


I’ve never meet a person that didn’t have an assh0le have you?

If they didn’t have one would they be full of sh*t?


some of us don't have any ideas worth talking about.


What about human archetypes?

Where do you come down on those?🧐


Onward 🫡


You just did 😁

Is this the nostr definition of gfy that Nobody's was talking about?


Fuck ppl who want to talk about ppl.

Discuss ideas.


Discuss everything and be less sensitive.


this💯🫂


Also, I think you can do both. And you probably should do both when appropriate for topic.
You can say Hitler was horrible racists and maniac but despite that he was right on importance of I don't know, vitamins for example.


Truth!


technically when talking about people we talk about the ideas we have about them, so....


people < events < ideas


Yes.

I'm really not a fan of the concept of "separating the art from the artist" as it is not like those are at all separable.

Sure, some people may exhibit mastery of some sort, but... I'm less likely to like their art of they are some kind of wrongun.


Yes. Your brain is not working like that.
You can't separate it completely.

Stupid example, but in Twitter era, when all of the actors started to express their political views and opinions - I feel myself  liking even good movie less for this reason. I see the actor and somewhere in background my brain is feeding me "he said this about free speech" etc. 😁


I'm the same way now with "that dude is a total pedo, I don't want to watch this."


Funny to me that people don't allow Christians this leeway.


Yep.
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