I don't understand the fear of not being able to delete notes.

The Internet is just amplifying the reach of your speech. You can't delete what is posted just like you can't unspeak what you have spoken.

Yes, now there is a permanent record of what you say and everyone can see it. It is the price, and the beauty, of having the Internet megaphone.

So use it wisely. Think twice before you post.

The inability to delete has the potential to make the Internet a better place. To get rid of all the bullshit that goes around elsewhere in centralized apps.

Also, in the early years of the Internet I was told that sharing something on the Internet was like peeing in the swimming pool: once it's out, you can't take it back. I drill this into my kids EVERY day.


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


cc nostr:npub18z4uprsemsf4tcxdnfc8q2esk36g5rleqp6mw9ealtn2kmv8pxjswswrvz Post interessante sobre a questão de apagar notas.


what weird analogy is that


privacy and safety risks exist, completely understandable to me why someone would want to shore up their digital footprint.

I don't think nostr is permanent either, relays can delete your info and many will stop hosting as costs increase over time


Indeed 😀  That's why it stuck with me and that's why I use it with my kids


Exatamente!

Pensem antes de postar que senão, depois que a mensagem espalhou pela rede, já era. 😉


Just my 2 sats.

But this is pretty much how I feel about the whole delete thing. We all say stupid shit. We all make mistakes. If you can show that you've grown as a person, there's no reason to delete history to make yourself look perfect. Idiots who dredge up shit that you said five years ago. Hell, even a year ago, are numptys Trying to penalize you for someone you probably aren't anymore. The capacity for humans to grow and change is pretty damn incredible.

I'm sure there are probably good edge cases as to why somebody would want something deleted. But this is not a private centralized protocol. For better or worse nostr is public and open. Think before you speak and don't be to embarrassed if you make a mistake. Shit happens. Your human.

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I concur. Also,

*you’re


Shit, where's the delete button 😅


That's good advice .


Hay 3 cosas que no se pueden borrar ni hacer volver atrás:
La oportunidad perdida
La bala ya disparada
Y la palabra escrita


Great advice. If you are going to post something, think it through first.

It's interesting b/c one of the discussion points around permanent content is how people can make mistakes, and how people can change their minds.

But... if a statement you make is truly important, and you change your mind or you have a new insight, isn't it valuable to demonstrate to others how we're all changing, all the time?

For some additional context, I've got teenagers. I'm petrified of them posting something online which they could regret later. Which brings me back to the start of this note. If you are going to post something, think it through first.

And to those who will respond with "self-censorship is a form of censorship."" I'm simply recommending people be thoughtful, I agree free speech is sacred, you are free to say absolutely anything you want. You just have to own it. Responsibility and accountability is on the speaker.


Whatever you think about (attempting) to delete something on internet, inability to do so is just… an inability. Its not a feature, its a bug. Its a downside. Its bad. But instead of admitting this, some people for some reason what to bend people under technology and say its good. Amazing time we live in


Some bugs are just difficult to squash, and some, like cockroaches, when you squash them, more of them come to eat the carcass, but they also survive radioactive winters, so they’re is that.

😗


I always assume that what you post online is permanently going to stay online. So think twice before pressing that arrow below the text.


I see it as more of a downgrade when I used to be able to delete things online but can’t now, and this is the future? Don’t get me wrong, I’m waiting patiently for nostr to implement this and I’ll be diving HEAD FIRST into making content on here.

I’m glad I’m not the only one with this concern. And I’m not even in a country where the government retaliates against people for speaking up or speaking out. To anyone reading this that resides in one of those countries, this post is for you!

There are MANY MANY innocent situations where deletion is necessary. Some outlined here: https://damus.io/note1l5pv64z294l9cc4jx6f92glrz3ymtc25glujy3dz9ceqc62at8asyw4gj2

My solution would be for us to have a feature like a button a user can press that can scrub their post and edit to say “post removed by user” like what I’ve seen people do during the Reddit exodus


Maybe being "live on TV" is a better analogy.

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I'm a simple man. I will delete my notes if I can.


> "I've seen so many people say they won't use Nostr because we don't support delete. This is really frustrating, because Nostr DOES support delete, it's right there in the NIP's!"
>
> — [rabble](nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240)

A few days back, rabble posted a note and a blog post discussing the misconceptions about Nostr's inability to delete notes and his perception on how the issue should be approached.

You can read the blog post [here](nostr:naddr1qq2ksje3g9trxujpxymyxjjlg5ckjmmrtguyxqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqz8rhwden5te0dehhxarj95crztnev94kj6r0dehx2tnrdaksygq0ytqxatqsqf5yalxx3atg2s8gxsk3vzw4pz7dgvfvqw8xr98ckcpsgqqqw4rstvd04e).

His thoughts prompted me to share my own thoughts on deleting stuff on the Internet in general and Nostr in particular. My note got some attention (lots by my meager standards 😆), reposts and comments so I thought it would be good to expand a bit more in this week's newsletter. *Make sure to check out my original note below and the responses. There were very good points made to support also the need to delete notes.*

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## The good old Internet

Before MySpace, Twitter, Facebook and the rest of the social media behemoths came around, the Internet was made of a bunch of decentralized services like IRC servers. You would connect to a server, chat with people, exchange files and know that once you post something, it's out there and completely out of your control.

The Internet is just amplifying the reach of your speech. You can't delete what is posted just like you can't unspeak what you have spoken.

> Posting something on the Internet is like peeing in the swimming pool. Once it's out, you can't take it back.
>
> — Old piece of wisdom passed over to me in the early years of the Internet

![](https://i.nostr.build/R09M.jpg)

I took this advice to heart. And I drill it into my kids every day: **don't share with anyone anything that you wouldn't want splashed on all the high school screens**.

## My approach to deleting Tweets, notes, and other stuff
I don't understand the fear of not being able to delete notes.

Yes, now there is a permanent record of what you say and everyone can see it. It is the price, and the beauty, of having the Internet megaphone.

So use it wisely. Think twice before you post.

The inability to delete has the potential to make the Internet a better place. To get rid of all the bullshit that goes around elsewhere in centralized apps.

Sure it would had been nice to be able to edit tweets to correct misspellings but I believe that an Internet where you can't delete stuff is a better Internet.

I remember one time when I felt for a prank from an Ethereum Twitter user. He, and his followers, roasted me for days, reposting my tweet and having a blast at my expense. I was tempted to delete my tweet but I felt that that would had been an act of cowardice. Better to own my mistake and use all the scorn directed at me to learn the lesson.

## But what if I change my mind?

*But what if I change my mind and I don't agree any more with something I posted 5 years ago?*

Congratulations! You have grown! You have learned new things and now you have new perspectives on life and stuff.

> I pity those who agree with everything they have written on the Internet in the last 20 years.

Change is natural. Change is good. Your past posts are proof of your growth. Why would you want to delete them?

If sharing the fact that you have changed your mind scares you, if you'd rather delete an old post that admit that you were wrong, maybe you should take a deeper look within yourself.

And let me be clear, people who go back through your posts to find something damning that you said 5 or 10 years ago are at the very least stupid and most likely evil, driven by an ill will towards you. They are the problem, not your thoughts from 10 years ago.

## Deleting in Nostr

Like rabble says, you can mark a note as deleted. Some clients and relays may honor the request, some may not. You never know. Rabble's take is that by marking something for deletion you're signaling that you have grown, that you have changed your mind and that that note does not accurately capture your thoughts on the subject any longer.

I respectfully disagree. I think that posting a new note with your new thoughts is a better approach. You can even quote the old note to make sure that everyone knows what you're talking about. Because, for all purposes, you don't know if the note will ever be deleted anyway.

For me, the existence of the old note in conjunction with the new note signifies growth and that is what matters the most.

**Full disclosure**: when I decided to stop tweeting and focus on Nostr, I left the Twitter account inactive with the content still up. But after Twitter started requesting biometrics I realized that it was time to close the account and that had the effect of deleting everything: good (the few) and bad (the many) tweets alike.

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# Notable notes

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# Recommendations
## rabble

rabble has been working on censorship resistant social media for years. He was working on Planetary and scuttlebutt before switching to building on Nostr.

You can follow him [here](nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240)

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The fear of not being able to delete notes

I don't understand the fear of not being able to delete notes. The Internet is just amplifying the reach of your speech. You can't delete what is posted just like you can't unspeak what you have spoken.

This is a long form article, you can read it in https://habla.news/a/naddr1qq48g6r994nx2ctj94hkvttwda6z6cn9d9hxwttpvfkx2tt5dukkgetvv46x2ttwda6x2uczyryd76hgsmr3rv8g0t0jfksps86ss8etv5axrg3mzp26xcpz9yaqvqcyqqq823cv829ex